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With our quest to store all of the footage we’ve ever shot for our videos, we’re constantly in need of more storage. Unfortunately, storage is expensive, but when we found drives on eBay for nearly 50% off – we did what any sane folks would, and spent $10,000+ on them. Will we regret it?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 I bought a Petabyte on eBay for 50% off
1:38 What’s the catch?
2:32 Unboxing the Petabyte
3:23 Where did we buy them?
4:27 Testing the power on hours
4:40 The server we’re installing them in
5:30 Smaller setups for homelab or small business
6:40 Building the server
9:40 Does it boot?
10:18 The software
11:11 Do all the drives work?
11:53 Making a ZFS pool
13:46 Speed testing
14:26 Where do these drives come from?
15:00 Conclusion
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40 petabytes of ssds brand new is $40k, The speed to cost ratio really doesn't make used HDD's worth it for $15k when you're running a multi million dollar businesss. This is another boss cheaping out making his staff's lives harder, when he knows full well the tech he implements is outdated. LTT in a nutshell.
Here is the thing – as long as you have redundancy to prevent data loss, at 50% off you could literally lose 40% of the drives immediately and still come out ahead.
The odds of having that many fail are incredibly low.
what if peopple would just be happy with what they got…
I am using 8x18TB recertified EXOS drives for two years in my UNRAID Server without a problem.
A single wd red 20tb is 689 eu here… Those drives are a steal 😮
I've had recertified Exos drives running on my home NAS for about 6 months without issue. So far so good I guess. Though I do have multiple backups of just about everything.
I bought 2 recert drives from amazon, both were DOA and never touched them again. Maybe i should try ebay lol
All of my drives are pretty much HGST refurb drives from eBay.
Been using them oh gosh…since AT LEAST 2007, in varying capacities.
In my experience, pretty much all of the drives that has died, did so because the AMBIENT environment started getting hot (e.g. system was sitting in front of a heater vent because that's the only place where I could put it in the room that I was renting, when I was in uni), but otherwise have had GREAT experiences with it.
I would NEVER buy Seagate.
And you're 100% right about the migration from cloud BACK to on-prem, because it doesn't take a genius to be able to figure out the math and the economics for on-prem deployment favours on-prem systems SIGNIFICANTLY.
I'm still surprised that you guys aren't using LTO tape for archiving, but for long term archival usage, it'd be better and cheaper, to go with tape.
LTT: 8 year old CPU is old
Me with a 16 year old Intel Atom: wdym??
still dont understand the need to store every second of raw footage recorded. why not just store h265 4k 10mbps proxies or something.
I wouldn't trust a brand new seagate drive let alone a refurbished one. Every seagate drive I've ever owned has failed within 3 years, meanwhile I'm still running a 1tb WD Green from 2005 as one of my game drives. I dunno how you can accept their sponsorship when you can look at statistics from any data center and see they have a ~95% early failure rate.
That server CPU is only 8 years old? I recently checked what kind of CPU is in the server we have to use a VDI on at work for some tasks for security reasons… It was a xeon from 2012… And yes it's unbearably slow. If I haven't logged into it for a while I better wait for like an hour after starting it to let the virus scan do its thing as it just 100%s the three cores I get for about that long. Luckily I personally don't need it much, it's terrible.
NOOOOO YOURE SPILLING THE SECRET NOW THE PRICES WILL GO UP
storage will be always the problem if you will keep all the raw material.
I've had recertified drives from serverpartsdeal for 2 years.
I liked the video, but wouldn't trust Seagate for data storage. The only HDD I've ever had fail on me was from Seagate and I believe that the motor died in it. Not worth the risk.
I even went the route of buying 10x 4TB used enterprise-grade HGST drives. I checked them with harddisk sentinel and they had over 400TB read and 200TB written. SMART data still looked good and hard disk sentinel graded them as 100% health. They have been going strong without issue! I won't buy new drives anymore, as buying a box of 10 is the same price as 2 new drives. I'll just buy another box when they start to fail!
So wait, to hold a bunch of storage in a drive, at least a terabyte, whats the best option?
I bought 8 WD SAS drives off fleabay in 2020… And they still are running great, with out a single failure…
Supposedly, Michael Jackson was a Petabyte.
I just picked up the Seagate Recovery Service’s results from the 3/4 full 4TB drive drive I accidentally formatted. Without warning they sent only a portable 2 TB 2.5inch replacement. They did not send instructions to use their included file explorer but i figured it out, jts still analysing data after 1.5 hours – i am thinking of stopping the process and disabling bitlocker to see if it will fasten things, i wish i did it first, the speed might be due to my full 0 drive. So i received 1.5TB back, the program estimates another 5 hours to look for files, i think 1.5TB of files lost were just archived games but if i lost my first ever minecraft save it will be sad, I probably lost an encrypted iphone backup due to the confusing data type. When i tried to access the data using windows explorer my OS seized up for 10 minutes. The brand of new drive is LACIE it has USB C 3.1 gen 1 female plug and the box advertises “130MB/S” and “FOLDER SYNCING WITH LACIE TOOLKIT”.
The included in root Dir Seagate file explorer has a working stopwatch but the loading bar is either 10% or moved to next step, analysing or moved to next step and 28% and it has yet to be any other number since the step started 30 minutes ago currently at 2 hours and 58 seconds, estimated time remaining 5 hours 0 minutes.
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Me in my manual F-150: 👀
I’ve been running 4 of these drives in raid 10 for 2 years with no issues so far, planning on picking up another 2 soon unless this video makes the price less appealing
I purchased 4 of the exact same recertified Exos 20TB drives a little over two years ago and they've been running perfectly fine.
Why do you need to store your old videos at all? And that too in the highest quality. That's just crazy and unnecessary.
Guys I thought this was the old petabyte project thumbnail and ignored it all day, I know that’s the point but seriously?
What if you guys invested in research to utilize storage in a way that can store 10x more data compared to what you can do with it today? I mean recovery software can recover already deleted files by converting or building the storage map, so why not do something similar intentionally to break – encrypt, and store much more data than what we can store today. Like a storage gear or unit that can store the storage map and use the storage as a multiplier. So, the storage would act as RAM and have a small storage for the unit to store the map image, the rest is to project the unwrapped data based on the map stored and remapped by the unit.
I am not a computer scientist so, don`t blame me for anything, but if we have a small processing unit that handles a storage media where the generated storage maps would be stored and launched from, and there is RAM (Random Access Memory) to handle the DAM (Direct Access Memory) – the actual storage devices linked together, I think it might work. It would take time probably to launch and build the data, but if the encryption key would also be used to allocate the information that is stored on the map, there would be no chance of restoring anything without it.
Let us assume that we link BTC mining machines and their network as a security feature and that we have linked our data using the minted already block and hashes to organize our data. Every time someone asks for access to the data a private key would be launched and the private keys would be generated, it would make it near impossible to break into our storage and would likely keep mining beneficial even after all BTC had been minted.
And, once we can link storage to BTC private and public keys, we can basically use its network as an actual network capable of sending instructions, launching protocols, allowing access to data, or absolutely anything that we want as long as we embed its features into our operating system or any operating system at all. It could serve as a universal ultimate handler.
The real question is, how would it affect BTC price if we payout miners and owners could impact the market price, or store the fees and dump it into a BTC foundation that would serve as a reserve to cover its value, equivalent in FIAT currencies, or bonds, or anything that is linked to it.
Ultimately its price would increase indefinitely as anything that can be an attached value could be or would be regulated through its system to provide security and efficiency once everything goes through it, banks, governments, and complete infrastructures could be governed by this system globally, sending instructions or utilizing resources, data, power or commands, all through it.
why would you use only one boot device?
Hehe these are good boards … But I would go for arctic cooling rater than noctua it has better front to back airflow arrangement.. noctua is 90deg rotated it sucks
best part of video for me was linus droping star tech adapter card then at 9:50 jake optimism on pc boot is decreasing and how he failed 2 time at pc will boot and holy shit is that 100GB ethernet port
Last Seagate drive I had was a 3TB. It started to fail just within warranty, so I went to get it replaced. They sent a "certified refurb" that was in even worse condition right out of the box. I notified them and they promised a manufactured new replacement; when that arrived, it was a completely DoA refurb again. Then they promised a mfr new AGAIN… AND THAT TOTALLY FAILED IN 2 MONTHS. So they replaced THAT drive with a drive that TOTALLY FAILED IN 6 MONTHS. I didn't bother contacting them again and I've convinced several people not to deal with them since. None of my WD HDDs have failed, nor have the ones I've recommended people. Even the used, 20yr+ old IDE HDDs we use for old electronics are either Toshiba or WD. I think it's usually Seagates that we're replacing.
I don't recommend WD SSDs, because they hid how they shut off 2 lanes on a PCIe4x4 SSD in a gen 3 slot. That caused an issue in a mobo that didn't allow 3×2, only 3×4.
1 RMA: 5 bad drives.
But what is the need to backup the video that you have already uploaded years ago?
Buying any kind of storage on ebay is stupid.
a year behind ?!?
How many petabytes till the next XXbyte name? A million?
thanks I now feel better about the 3 different batches of drives in my NAS, Did not think about the fact it meant there was lower risk of failure
I started my current rendition of my NAS back in 2012 or so with 9x of their 3TB drives. Pretty sure same seller on ebay (or was VERY similar listings, server recertified stuff). Those 9 drives are STILL in use to this day in various rigs around my PC collection. Currently have been rocking 6x 14TB drives, also recertified ebay drives. They've been rocking for 4 years straight, not one hiccup. Every hard drive in my current collection has been recertified drives, haven't had one problem yet. Did have ONE drive fail a zero fill on arrival but the seller sent a replacement immediately.
For production environment, yeah you probably want new drives only as you want to lower the failure probability as much as possible.
For home NAS or home use in general, sure, go for it
Nahhhh she'll be right.
Now thanks to this video buying refurbished hard drives for cheap will no longer be a option for near future. Every person and his dog will be doing it because it's recommended by the algorhythm. Another thing ruined because of unwanted attention like retro gaming, emulation and rom sites. Fuck this.
I've once bought an after-lease Alienware QD-OLED display for half the price, it had a A- rating and it was stated that it came with no cables. I open the box and boom, two boxes of brand new premium cables (first wow). Then I turn this thing on, go to the onboard stats and boom nr 2., power-on time: 3 hours. I felt pretty lucky lmao
Who even needs that much space?
Can't wait till someone does a project like this with the latest 32TB HDD's. So much storage 🤤
I still HDD in my gaming setup along side 2 1TB nvme's I have a pair of 8Tb Seagate Firecuda dirves (model# st8000dx001) they were Seagate refurbished the only thing is they are very clicky but are fast at loading games.
5:45 note that hexOS does not support single drives. Sure you can go into truenas below and create a pool with just one drive, but it´s not as plug and play as intended by hexOS
Trunas can also expand one drive at the time since Electric Eel 🙂
Linus dropping stuff has become so commonplace, that nobody give a dayum anymore.